Based on this blurry photo and pawprints, DEEP confirmed it was likely a mountain lion. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. This page is located more than 3 levels deep within a topic. It used to be that a bear would go into a house when someone wasnt home. So. How far were you from this cat. He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. These were normal everyday folks. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. The young adult male was killed by an SUV on the Wilbur Cross Parkway in Milford, Connecticut on June 11, 2011. Mountain lions became scarce in the East after a bounty system wiped out most predatory animals. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. We strolled across the tavern parking lot and ducked into the forest, where Ottmann maintains a portion of his $15,000 worth of wildlife recording equipment (hes had no luck capturing a cougar on camera, though, despite more than a decade of trying). It is difficult to know if someone saw a mountain lion without any tangible evidence. Bobcats in Feeding Hills - By Claire October 3, 2014 at 09:39:37 PM. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. That animal had come from South Dakota, traveling more than 1,500 miles to get to New England.. If its not, you just thank the person and say good-bye.. Hawley, a wildlife biologist with the state Department of Energy and Environmental Protection, says data dont support a breeding population of mountain lions in Connecticut. She still produces shows with Colin and the team when her schedule allows. Of course. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. And last year, Ben Tanner, a Lady's Island resident, captured video footage of what appears to be a large cat stalking a deer. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. Here are few facts you should know about bats and a few myths to forget. Bearded, bowler hat, expression impenetrable behind facial hair and the stoicism of an earlier era. Forty years of reporting on New Hampshire cougar sightings has convinced Harrigan that the state is home to at least a handful of breeding animals. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. Yeah I did. Well I can't tell you what you saw. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. The females are where its at, she said. Give today. The Great Divide | Are There Mountain Lions in New England? Well within there. Ive seen bobcats before, this wasnt a bobcat. And its a lose-lose situation, because theres really not a whole lot you can tell them in most cases thats going to change their mind.. It's bigger but bigger and better world. (I don't get the daily Eagle but I get The Berkshires in Brief [online newsletter] and read it daily.). What to know about unconfirmed mountain lion sightings in CT New Hampshire Public Radio | Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Coyotes have also been mistaken for Mountain Lions. This is the exchange. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. People clearly arent lying when they say they saw a cougar; [the sighting] has a profound effect on them., Still, Spatz acknowledged that the word hope is very different from the word believe. It continues in Connecticut, where that South Dakota cat was killed in 2011, and in Massachusetts, despite two credible reports in the past quarter century (in one case, DNA-confirmed scat; in the other, verified tracks). Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. The deadline for fuel assistance applications is Sunday, but most state emergency funds are still unspent. ), or someones coworkers mother had seen one from the back porch of a summer camp back in 07 or maybe 08, and shed tried to get a picture but this was before she got her first iPhone, and by the time shed retrieved her camera from the living room, the cat was long gone. We're not in the woods. Alleged Athol MA picture - By weather01089 September 8, 2016 at 12:35:45 PM. Most of the reports I would not consider; a few from experienced hunters and outdoor people were hard to discount, although none of them had photographic proof or any footprints or scratch markings except for one naturalist that I have known for years. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. Re(3): Webster update - Misunderstanding. By mid-19th century, forests made up only about 30 percent of New England (its notable that today that number stands at approximately 80 percent, nearer to what it was when cougars thrived here). And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. A: I should have asked a turkey hunter! Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. 3 min read. And it's not really strong. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. Thank you very much for listening. (You can download the article frommass.gov/doc/mountain-lions-in-massachusetts-distinguishing-fiction-from-the-facts/download.) We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. There were caribou antlers mounted above the front doors, and the interior walls were covered in row upon row of books; a long table was piled high with still more books in seemingly random arrangements. Hawley:Were sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. Have a photo. Right. There's no attraction. The tavern was quiet except for some hard-rock music playing on the radio, the murmur of a handful of men at the bar, and us. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. Sam. The tails gotta be there. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Can they really all be cases of false identification? Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. The big cat on the ground before him, motionless, yet somehow still embodying that particular feline litheness, as if, with the flick of its tail, it might bound to its feet and disappear into the woods. You need a permit to have that. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. So now what's going on. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. All the latest news and updates of New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board. People often get very emotional about it, Hawley says. Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. If these people say they saw something, Im going to listen., If theres one thing people on all sides of the debate can agree on, its that a breeding population of cougars is essential to the overall health of New Englands ecosystems, which currently lack an apex predator. Still, sightings are common. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. I also had the vague notion that when it comes to cougars, people tend to sort themselves into one of three camps. Adult males can be around 8 feet in length and weigh between 130 and 150 pounds, while adult females can be 7 feet long and weigh between 65 and 90 pounds. It may not surprise you to learn that I was quite intrigued by this third group. Bats have no interest in your hair! Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Love hearing these stories. Hawley: Wildlife biologists across the United States know where the current mountain lion range is. An adult male bobcat can reach four feet in length and 35 to 40 pounds. So what those ranges. Thanks for your call. Now the bears, they dont even care if people are home, theyll go right in the house. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Sighting: An animal is seen by the public and is . The Spatz and Sue Ottmann referred to are Christopher Spatz and Sue Morse, two of the better-known and arguably most experienced cougar skeptics in the Northeast. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board Post a New Message | Search | New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board . Hes also unafraid to take unpopular positions when he deems it necessary: Shortly before our meeting, hed signed a petition in favor of keeping ATVs off public roads. Watch. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. And so we come to the great divide over cougars in New England. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. Yes. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. A:I have hoped to see a big cat, that is bigger than a bobcat, since NatureWatch began getting reports in the 1980s. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. Some of these photos have taken on urban legend status. What color was it? Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. None of the rumors are true. It's one piece that he wrote, that I have used in discussing the possibility of hard-to-believe sightings and I quote, People are always hopeful that what they have seen is something unusual, rather than just common and mundane.. Carol Ann P., of Hinsdale, wrote, Thank you for the very informative article on invasive species! So theres fresh mud. Caller: Oh hi. But other hard evidence of the big cats presence is elusive. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. Mountain lions live in the state. Given the long, shared border between these provinces and New England, along with plentiful evidence that other species cross this border regularly, it seems entirely possible that cougars would also engage in international travel. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. You have permission to edit this article. It was a 140-pound male mountain lion, the first confirmed in Connecticut in more than 100 years. The truth is, I was by this point dubious. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. On one side, there are those (as represented here by Sue Morse, Kim Royar, and Christopher Spatz, along with a number of others I spoke with) who contend that the lack of verifiable evidence is proof that the animals are not here. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. Mike thanks for your call. There are two records of mountain lions in Massachusetts thatmeet the evidence requirements. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. There are no mountain lions in Connecticut, so why do we keep seeing them? So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. No that's a little bit outside the range.
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